Gnusman53

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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 6:56:53 AM
seems the poor soda doc from Texas must have loved ENRON.....
Too bad he doesn't like facts.....
California had a GOP governor that signed the energy deregulation bill with promises it would lower ratepayers energy costs. It did the exact opposite, thanks to ENRON. My parents lived in a San Diego suburb and SDG & E TRIPLED their rates after ENRON moved into the California energy "market".
When Gray Davis followed Wilson as governor, he tried to get help to stop ENRON from the Bush administration..... they told him there was nothing wrong.
Months later, the ENRON fraud publicly unraveled.....
But California was hit with $37 BILLION + in costs from that mess...
California was just climbing out of a recession slowly when ENRON hit them, creating much of the financial problems that have kept California floundering economically for more than a decade....
Those are facts.
And that is why soda doc (aka dr pepperTX decided he could not handle them -- and chose to ignore them.....
As to solar. There are choices. You can check to see if some of the leasing companies are operating in your areas. If they are, they would install, maintain and own the solar equipment, while you would get a fixed lower energy cost from them.
Please try to check those out. You may decide against doing it that way, but you can't claim that the solar was too expensive -- since you wouldn't have to buy, install or maintain it.
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 6/10/2012 10:05:14 AM EST]
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Rajah

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 8:50:47 PM
There are a lot of variables so be sure to do the calculations for your unique situation. It seems like a good idea, but if the breakeven on the investment is 15 years down the road and you're 75 years old, maybe not so much. In our case, we're in a low electricity cost area so it's less attractive than, say, in California.
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sparky808

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 2:06:26 PM
Thank you for posting.
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 9:45:32 AM
LOL, I see there's a few new posts but I can't read them. Has to be the gnu because the only other poster that was on my ignore list must have been banned from the site.
I therefore smell hopium in the air from the gnu! Pretty sure the gnu is blaming every thing on the GOP and or the age old Enron scandal!
Most judicious was my decision to use the ignore feature on the gnu!
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Gnusman53

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 7:02:53 AM
For those who do not know where Sonoma is, it is a bedroom community for the Bay Area, to the north.. between Napa and Petaluma-Santa Rosa. It also has temperature fluctuations..... it can have coastal weather like fog and yet very hot summers in the high 90s and sometimes even higher.
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Gnusman53

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 6:57:21 AM
And those posters claiming that energy bill proves the house was a green house for illegal plants, don't know about California.
Even before ENRON, those types of houses were usually having energy costs $5,000 and much higher, according to some of the police officers I talked to back then....
After ENRON, it would be even higher...
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Gnusman53

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 6:54:05 AM
Wrong DaisysMom....... all it takes is having energy costs to ratepayers TRIPLED overnight by ENRON. the GOP deregulation under GOP Gov. Pete Wilson and approved by the GOP Bush 43 administration when Gray Davis went to the federal energy commission with charges and some proof of fraud by ENRON early on.
That TRIPLING happened in several regions of California when they were forced to sign contracts to get energy for their customers at highly inflated and fraudulent rates...
The GOP promised it would mean lower rates if the states deregulated the energy "market" in California...... Instead it was a financial disaster.
It was blamed on Gov. Gray Davis and a major reason he was recalled. But the real truth is the pols allowed the GOP to deregulate....... and found out the hard way what happens when that is done.......
Massive increases.
So, if the GOP promises deregulation will mean "cheaper" anything -- don't believe them.
They are either lying, stupid or ignorant.
Ask yourself...... what happens if the same thing happens to your area..... and the costs triples....
Could you afford it?
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Gnusman53

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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 6:39:51 AM
Actually solar is more than viable, especially if new home construction adopted passive solar in their designs to cut the homeowners energy costs. And just that alone could save homeowners thousands of dollars....
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 6/9/2012 9:41:30 AM EST]
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 9:13:27 PM
“An interesting article, but doesn't really concern gasoline prices at the pump.”
And why should it, Zeke? The article is about energy and clearly meets the guidelines for Newsville.
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bigsranch

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 9:06:31 PM
If solar were viable, we wouldn't need the credit. It will someday be viable, when the market dictates.
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bvrbill

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:59:43 PM
In the right location, this is great.
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Rooster922

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Wilmington
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:59:28 PM
Still expensive
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DaisysMomNC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:58:36 PM
How in the world does this person have a $600 to $700 electric bill. He must set his air conditioner on 50 and leave all lights on 24/7 and I don't even know if that would do it. Good greif!!
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Shakleelady31

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:58:05 PM
Interesting info.
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TheHermit

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Maine
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:54:57 PM
Taxes, gas, and power bills are all going up, that's the connection.
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Kaiyne

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:51:36 PM
ok.
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southrob

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Tucson
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:44:27 PM
and nuclear is good
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vollee

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:39:18 PM
I have a 5500 sq foot house and my electric bill (natural gas heat/water) averages about $100/mth. Either the author has a gigantic house or has electric heat in a northern climate to get to $600-700/mth.
Or has a hothouse growing some weed for smokin'. Could also be the neighbor - check for a long extension cord!
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Zeke33

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:34:30 PM
An interesting article, but doesn't really concern gasoline prices at the pump.
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uptherefiners

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:33:01 PM
"I *recently* noticed that my electric bill has been soaring *recently*—closing in on $600 to $700 a month."
does bonnie live in stonehenge?...turn off a couple grow lights
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me2002

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:32:12 PM
Why is this on here.
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stickyvalves

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:31:54 PM
Use it if you can.
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FuelOilOH

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:30:54 PM
If you don't want to mess with batteries in electric cars why would you want to mess with Solar? You need somewhere to store all that electricity.
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chuckhermann

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New York
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:29:04 PM
Not really a gas article, but the cost of solar has come down significantly in the past three years.
[Edited by: chuckhermann at 6/8/2012 11:29:36 PM EST]
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:28:25 PM
How long till solar doesn't need taxdollars to be competitive or affordable?
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Fitwit

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:26:19 PM
This won't help me. But it will help some.
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serrog

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:22:41 PM
CARS? GAS?
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tippybuddy

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:20:49 PM
I cn't afford that
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:19:52 PM
gas prices?
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carpenter4u

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:13:28 PM
And how many Years till payoff, and how much did the taxpayer have to pay
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Beaveronparade

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:12:45 PM
Wow! Great article! I never knew this. I've wanted solar for quite a while now but it's SO expensive. This tax credit may just make it affordable. Thank you for posting.
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gd83goldwinger

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:11:59 PM
Wow!
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jad1960

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:11:07 PM
This guy must have electric heat and heat the house to 80 degrees and cool it to 60 to get a bill that large, but solar power is a good idea.
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nigelb

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:09:06 PM
$600-$700 wow!
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Spankster85

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:08:22 PM
I don't what this guy's doing to get an electric bill that big but the whole solar thing is a great idea.
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knot2swift

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:08:20 PM
Insane...Time to tap into a light pole and steal electricity!
My bill is $56 a month. I need to steal food, smokes and beer instead.
[Edited by: knot2swift at 6/8/2012 11:08:54 PM EST]
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jimnecci

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:04:03 PM
Mine has been at $100 a month or so for the last five or six years. What the hell are you doing to make it $700?
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radiorumor

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:02:44 PM
Okay, I may have to get a CPA
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rf6480

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Miami
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:00:59 PM
recently noticed $600-$700. I think I would see that immediately.
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hamdriver

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:00:45 PM
Ok
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Somis1

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Ventura
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:58:24 PM
Good article, the federal rebate (taxpayer dollars) makes solar work for many people.
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walkingtall

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:57:51 PM
What homeowners need to know about the solar energy credit is that the payback period has been reduced by the increase in energy costs.
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TDIdave

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California
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:57:08 PM
Good information!
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OOXXFF

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:55:53 PM
Complicated.
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min_fuel

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:53:26 PM
This is interesting and the payback period has been reduced by the increase in energy costs. I am going to save this article for future reference.
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grandamgt1

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:52:20 PM
Tax credits like this create false economies.
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suzmar

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:49:25 PM
Great, the rest of us taxpayers are subsidizing the author of this piece.
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adr47

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Saskatchewan
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:49:24 PM
Go Solar
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Bubba44612

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:43:59 PM
More tax loopholes for all of us.
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RickF350

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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:43:30 PM
I bet he drives a Volt.
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