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The ‘Clean Energy’ Stalking Horse

Weekly Standard -- They’re not calling it a carbon tax or cap and trade. But make no mistake, the national “clean energy” mandate introduced earlier this month by Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) and eight cosponsors entails both a tax and a trading measure.

Bingaman’s legislation has the apparent support of the White House. A day after the bill was introduced, Nat Keohane, a special assistant to the president for energy and the environment, called it “an important step towards the president’s goal of doubling clean energy by 2035.”

By 2035, the bill requires that at least 84 percent of all electricity in the United States be produced from “clean energy” sources. Put another way, coal will be limited to no more than 16 percent of domestic electricity generation. That’s a drastic reduction given that coal-fir

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,834 Points:1,638,195 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 3:05:36 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse no reason we couldn't have more and more diverse renewable energy sources.
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,639 Points:1,538,755 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 2:53:01 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse 223 days until the ejection.
sjf238 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,215 Points:648,705 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 6:34:20 AM Ignore sjf238 Report Abuse Scary.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,606 Points:2,374,185 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:29:02 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Renewable and 'clean energy': Solar, wind, hydro, thermal, tidal, nuclear. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
MattieDale Sophomore Author Cincinnati Posts:236 Points:207,275 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 9:29:13 PM Ignore MattieDale Report Abuse Since most homes in the the north in cities rely on natural gas, we are going to use more and drive up home heating costs. All these electric cars have to get there power from somewherem so lets put more demand on an overtaxed national grid. Whoops! there goes the cost of electricity. I retire in just under 5 years... I am looking strongly at living off the grid.
quasar502 Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,723 Points:829,050 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 9:09:56 PM Ignore quasar502 Report Abuse It makes sense and what's more important is that we are already falling behind in getting on board with renewables. It is going to cost us as a nation big time of we don't get going with renewables.
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:3,100 Points:861,380 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 9:09:19 PM Ignore regout Report Abuse Very interesting.
Thomtec Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,605 Points:636,370 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 9:05:12 PM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse The Democratic Party has lost America. They have no chance at redemption and must be left in the waste bin of history.
wonderlander Veteran Author Illinois Posts:393 Points:49,600 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 9:02:00 PM Ignore wonderlander Report Abuse interesting
jamieg2012 Veteran Author Sioux Falls Posts:286 Points:11,385 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:57:54 PM Ignore jamieg2012 Report Abuse what we need is no carbon tax credits and other crap designed to let you pollute higher than normal and buy from non polluters just so you can also take away the subsidies they give to oil and use it to develop realistic clean technology and have it made from clean technology in the reasonable future so we can even get away from coal and nuclear for electricity they say nuclear is clean but the spent radioactive rods have to be buried for decades before it deteriorates to save radiation levels
gatekeepertwo Veteran Author Wilmington Posts:389 Points:187,120 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:56:55 PM Ignore gatekeepertwo Report Abuse can't be done
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,866 Points:1,689,490 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:55:31 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse As I've said in the past, I'll say it again: "It won't be good!" I'm all for clean energy, just not the way they intend to do it or want to, as it's going to drive prices of most everything even higher still. They're estimation for increases in energy costs, whether electricity or not, is way too low and will be much higher than they're claiming. It won't be pretty. [Edited by: LanguageMan1 at 3/25/2012 11:58:06 PM EST]
NGEFE Veteran Author Provo Posts:349 Points:480,975 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:54:57 PM Ignore NGEFE Report Abuse Hahaha and what politician wants to NOT get re-elected this year?
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:8,818 Points:2,357,285 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:54:31 PM Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse JUST WHAT WE DON'T NEED MORE GAS TAXES!!!
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,368 Points:1,489,680 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:53:18 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse Sounds sneaky to me :(
ModelWarships Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,890 Points:1,251,010 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:52:31 PM Ignore ModelWarships Report Abuse Cap and Trade is a joke.
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,807 Points:745,150 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:47:29 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse greay
cheap59 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,240 Points:983,270 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:46:40 PM Ignore cheap59 Report Abuse Which will rais the price of gas!
gilfarm Champion Author Alabama Posts:6,936 Points:1,976,540 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:45:14 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse Need a change in Washington.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,761 Points:1,800,610 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:43:52 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Regardless of what fluffy name they put on it, stay far, far away from Cap & Tax. What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; An Obama called by any other name is still a Hussein. BHO & Co. What's in a name? that which we call a traitor By any other name would destroy us all; .
mrsmagoo2010 Rookie Author Ontario Posts:56 Points:27,775 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:41:48 PM Ignore mrsmagoo2010 Report Abuse I am against anything that the white house supports, the white house has no real interest in helping the common man, at least not this white house.
nztyraider Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,322 Points:716,955 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:40:39 PM Ignore nztyraider Report Abuse More illegal tax.
LostToo Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,392 Points:975,315 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:40:27 PM Ignore LostToo Report Abuse As soon as the new guy takes the oath of office. All of these crack pot ideas of Oboma's will be pitched in the wood burning stove to make clean energy. That big bill they sneaked in on all of us. The Oboma-care thing.... That should light up Washingto for weeks...Maybe months.
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:8,143 Points:1,720,425 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:40:18 PM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Dems are socialist here.
shopnshop Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,125 Points:329,080 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:39:34 PM Ignore shopnshop Report Abuse really?
mindrisa Veteran Author Denver Posts:399 Points:137,460 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:38:40 PM Ignore mindrisa Report Abuse ok
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ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:9,594 Points:1,872,940 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:35:04 PM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse Must be blowing smoke.
30mpg80 Champion Author Lexington Posts:10,271 Points:1,515,555 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:34:45 PM Ignore 30mpg80 Report Abuse Article claims electricity price would rise average 29 % by 2035. 29% divided by 23 years equals 1.26% per year. That sounds mighty good!
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,599 Points:621,360 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:33:36 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse a national standard / framework will coordinate all the other improvements.
feistyfella All-Star Author Detroit Posts:921 Points:213,495 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:32:54 PM Ignore feistyfella Report Abuse Ninja like.
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:5,740 Points:1,504,905 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:32:12 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse most countries the Dems are comunist
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greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,630 Points:1,666,720 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:31:14 PM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse time to vote them out!
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,285 Points:1,910,995 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:29:04 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse We have enough taxes.
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,445 Points:546,325 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:26:04 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse Clean energy is a good idea. Not at the expense of the economy.
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,949 Points:1,872,125 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:23:30 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse Is this realistic? I think not.
tobasco Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,376 Points:2,131,585 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 8:18:11 PM Ignore tobasco Report Abuse It's not a law.
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