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Gas engines thrive despite rise of hybrids, electric cars

csmonitor -- Plug-in electric cars get a lot of press, perhaps more than their current sales might warrant.

It's clear to industry analysts that the proportion of plug-ins among new cars produced will grow, slowly, over the coming years and decades.

But don't count the gasoline engine out just yet.

The rate of electric cars migrating into the fleet--not to mention projections for diesel adoption into the U.S.--are the topic of much debate.

But for the next decade or more, the vast majority of the world's auto production will continue to have gasoline engines.

In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines--but it's the only major market in the world where that's the case.
Natural gas may represent 1 or 2 percent of total production as well, but heavily

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dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,748 Points:623,080 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:39:58 PM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse "... In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines ..." Does Europe know something we don't, or is it that the big 3 don't what us to know???
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,375 Points:877,040 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:25:49 AM Ignore listerone Report Abuse Diesel is the way to go.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,545 Points:746,320 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:06:07 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse Gasoline is still the king and will be for quite some time.
TruthMatters Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,520 Points:533,235 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:30:29 AM Ignore TruthMatters Report Abuse Won't be long!
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,753 Points:590,770 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:20:25 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse As it takes years for new technologies to work the bugs out. The US needs to be going in the direction of alternative fuels for our vehicles. History will repeat itself otherwise.
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,810 Points:641,075 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 7:07:34 AM Ignore bston Report Abuse Very happy with our Camry hybrid, even after owning it over 5 years now & 102K miles!
kkimes Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,596 Points:1,504,735 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:17:39 PM Ignore kkimes Report Abuse "Hybrids and electric cars are a long way from being practical." That, of course, isn't true. My 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid is very practical, can do anything an ICE car can do, and still gets 40mpg average in all kinds of driving. I think that most people don't really look at the numbers, they just make rash statements. My break even point will be 3 to 5 years depending on how many miles I put on each year and I plan to keep the car 15 years (if I last that long). So people can make all the wild statements they want, but that doesn't make them true.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,049 Points:791,770 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:56:47 PM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse From the article: "In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines--but it's the only major market in the world where that's the case." ============================================================ Latin America might not be considered a "major market", but Brasil (I heard) subsidizes diesel fuel, hence much more diesel vehicles there. Also I sold a diesel truck to a dealer a while back which was slated for shipment to Central America.
mpg611 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,328 Points:568,120 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:49:47 PM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse Gas engines are going to stay around for a very long time. Hybrids and electric cars are a long way from being practical.
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,857 Points:1,627,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:08:17 PM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse The initial costs of hybrids and EVs are still too high. Payout takes too long. On top of that EVs have a range problem as well as a problem with the availability of charging infrastructure. With the continued improvement of the gas engines, it will be the engine of choice for a very long time.
leemun Champion Author Utah Posts:5,528 Points:1,038,400 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:59:46 PM Ignore leemun Report Abuse Not hybrids, and especially not EVs can cut the mustard. What we need is a truly better alternative, not just something pushed on the public through mass indoctrination and scare tactics.
johton Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,205 Points:310,965 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:17:53 PM Ignore johton Report Abuse You just can't drive far enough on a plug-in.
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,576 Points:480,635 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:28:27 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse The market share of future vehicles is heavily dependent on the price of fuel. Oil is going up, and it seems natural gas (and hydrogen since most hydrogen is obtained from natural gas at the moment) will soon go up as well.
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,337 Points:162,700 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:18:40 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse And this is a surprise to someone?
rjojo40 Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:7,367 Points:1,073,895 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:05:01 AM Ignore rjojo40 Report Abuse pretentiousness people need to be seen and look cool. sic.
peabeax55 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:713 Points:185,515 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:15:01 AM Ignore peabeax55 Report Abuse Lets see. Chevy Volt driving range = 30 miles. Recharge needs 2-6 hours IF you can find it. Tesla driving range = 220 miles. Recharge 6-8 hours IF you can find it. Gasoline automobile driving range 150-500. "Recharge" at the pump needs 5 minutes. Ten if you have to leak and get coffee. Locations everywhere.
MrDeath666 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,606 Points:242,240 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:01:13 AM Ignore MrDeath666 Report Abuse Normal people buy normal cars.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,147 Points:2,369,420 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:46:27 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse i guess folks buy whats best for them
skippypa Champion Author Hawaii Posts:8,466 Points:1,738,980 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:23:10 AM Ignore skippypa Report Abuse Time will tell
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,247 Points:493,010 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:02:14 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Just a matter of time
jcurley Champion Author California Posts:7,893 Points:1,774,045 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:55:29 AM Ignore jcurley Report Abuse The good news is that gasoline-powered cars will be getting much better mileage in 5-10 years. Natural gas is still my preference, but we have to work out the safety and equipment cost issues.
SBlouch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:8,725 Points:1,858,290 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:46:48 AM Ignore SBlouch Report Abuse Of course, the gas engine cars thrive because they cost less then the hybrid and electric car. When the price for the hybrid and electric car decreases more, then more people will buy them.
cheapertvs Champion Author Richmond Posts:10,280 Points:2,740,745 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:46:20 AM Ignore cheapertvs Report Abuse We will see a major rise in the numbers of CNG and LNG vehicles over the next five years.
snky2k Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,393 Points:302,590 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:40:17 AM Ignore snky2k Report Abuse Gasoline will still be used as long as it is relatively inexpensive or the govt. interferes in our ability to choose it.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:26,896 Points:3,102,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:38:09 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse going green costs way to much green !!!!
mohammed10 Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,217 Points:579,720 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:36:55 AM Ignore mohammed10 Report Abuse Change you can believe in...
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:2,265,640 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:30:07 AM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse it takes time to change
k2kipp Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,160 Points:1,126,190 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:28:08 AM Ignore k2kipp Report Abuse Keep making what works best.
hybridaholic Champion Author Appleton Posts:8,360 Points:1,554,840 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:19:09 AM Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse Throwing it all into the mix
Billrusty All-Star Author Washington Posts:837 Points:156,260 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:18:01 AM Ignore Billrusty Report Abuse baby step.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,074 Points:95,675 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:16:52 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Still nobody is looking to the real future of car engines: Leprechauns running on a hamster wheel towards a hologram of a pot o' gold. Pure genius.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,685 Points:3,030,620 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:16:26 AM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Just about need a small gas powered moter when you are miles from a charging station
findcheap Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:9,592 Points:2,008,900 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:16:23 AM Ignore findcheap Report Abuse engineering improvement instead of glitz
madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,008 Points:1,592,320 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:14:39 AM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Hard to kick that oil addiction.
OldMan322 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,145 Points:1,593,540 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:14:31 AM Ignore OldMan322 Report Abuse "roadrunnerMO" Me too
veemotors All-Star Author Alberta Posts:705 Points:66,095 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:10:43 AM Ignore veemotors Report Abuse ok
WTLITNG Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,844 Points:1,013,995 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:07:12 AM Ignore WTLITNG Report Abuse Electric cars are still in their infancy. Short distance off recharge, weight, not reliable yet.
Happytalk Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,130 Points:576,140 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:02:05 AM Ignore Happytalk Report Abuse still like my power
prorodeo2012 All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:528 Points:180,845 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:01:53 AM Ignore prorodeo2012 Report Abuse Efficiency is key
VikingWoman Champion Author Washington Posts:1,259 Points:250,690 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:01:40 AM Ignore VikingWoman Report Abuse Most of us are driving 10 year old cars - or older. Besides, has anyone noticed the number of renters compared to homeowners these days? Anyone found a landlord willing to install the electrical equipment required for your EV? No plug-in, no EV.
sprocketsplines Champion Author Washington Posts:1,677 Points:859,665 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:01:20 AM Ignore sprocketsplines Report Abuse Hard to beat the years of experience with the lowly gasoline engine.
stpetebp Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,216 Points:1,731,605 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:59:30 PM Ignore stpetebp Report Abuse Conventional engines will be around for a long time
GAS1251 Champion Author Texas Posts:5,143 Points:1,625,255 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:58:25 PM Ignore GAS1251 Report Abuse They continue to hone the efficiency of the internal combustion engine
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,703 Points:729,890 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:57:02 PM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse I must agree with CiVX
kd5kpd Champion Author Texas Posts:3,731 Points:1,415,750 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:56:34 PM Ignore kd5kpd Report Abuse Gas or diesel engines are still the best & WILL be for many more years!
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:7,050 Points:1,358,610 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:56:01 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse Efficiency is key
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,845 Points:1,470,070 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:50:54 PM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse We still like that power.
greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,480 Points:1,637,195 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:48:09 PM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse EVs are still to limited in range and most hybrids are priced to high for most people.
UseLessGasFolks Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,441 Points:1,294,875 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:43:37 PM Ignore UseLessGasFolks Report Abuse in the present but not the future
Titan_62 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,458 Points:326,705 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:36:45 PM Ignore Titan_62 Report Abuse ...I'll bet on a diesel engine lasting longer--