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Chu sees benefits of hydrogen fuel cells

Aiken Standard -- Local hydrogen advocates are encouraged by Secretary of Energy Steven Chu's change of heart about the benefits of hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Since his appointment in 2009, Chu has doubted the future of hydrogen and fuel cell technology and requested substantial cutbacks in the Department of Energy budget for hydrogen research, but he recently voiced support for the initiatives.

In a media interview with an industry news program last month, Chu admitted that, initially, he did not have much faith in hydrogen technology.

"Several things changed my mind. The most important thing that changed my mind was the fact that we now have natural gas in abundance... hydrogen is reformed from natural gas," Chu said in the June 22 interview with AutoLine Daily.

He also said the technology would..

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Submitted Jul 07, 2012 By: EZExit

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 10, 2012 2:59:51 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse ed: and you think anyone else will be different inside the Beltway?
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,342 Points:508,875 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jul 9, 2012 7:05:29 AM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse I prefer the opinions of a class of 6th graders over Chu. He is a bought and paid for politician who will say whatever who is paying him wants said. ...this is part of Obuma's election song and dance routine for the weak minded.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 9, 2012 3:02:05 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse whaboush, I'm sure you're much smarter than Chu.
Hobby001 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,093 Points:1,186,440 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 9, 2012 2:12:26 AM Ignore Hobby001 Report Abuse How many homes have converted from oil furnaces to natural gas in the first half of this year? That is a much smarter method to reduce the use of petroleum distillates.
MikeCapeCoral Champion Author Cape Coral Posts:1,943 Points:421,795 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jul 9, 2012 12:21:09 AM Ignore MikeCapeCoral Report Abuse Wow... high pressure H2... Where's my lighter??? Wait until one of these babies blows.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,580 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 9:35:10 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Good points rx7racerca...NG at this time is the ticket!
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carranco Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,027 Points:269,765 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 7:22:42 PM Ignore carranco Report Abuse Doesn't matter what he thinks, he and the one will be gone soon.
eomc17 Champion Author Tucson Posts:1,822 Points:134,145 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 3:13:30 PM Ignore eomc17 Report Abuse I saw an article on "GasHole" in which a man created a vehicle that runs on hydrogen way back in the 50's and big oil bullied and threatened his life until he sold his invention to big oil, only to have the invention disappear and the man himself was forced to be silent about it. And we all know that Steven Chu is not a very truthful person and loves to flip-flop now and then regarding his "points of view", the administrations interest in lower energy prices come to mind, in which he told us first that lower energy prices were not in the government's best interest, then flip-flopped his view ten days later, that he "no longer shared that point of view". I trust Steven Chu about as much as I trust Obama, who lies on public television about almost everything, always blames others for all of his failures, and is about as transparent as muddy water. [Edited by: eomc17 at 7/8/2012 6:15:25 PM EST]
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PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,526 Points:1,832,590 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 1:27:59 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Natural gas is abundant now, But get enough cars & trucks on it and we will paying more than gas is today.
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 11:13:04 AM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . NG is abundant. Let's spend billions developing other, more-expensive-to-use stuff, shall we? Oil is abundant. Let's spend billions developing other, more-expensive-to-use stuff, shall we?
rx7racerca Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,205 Points:1,114,205 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 5:46:15 AM Ignore rx7racerca Report Abuse But, does a fuel cell vehicle running on H2 from natural gas actually yield any net reduction in emissions of C02 vs burning natural gas in an internal combustion engine optimized for natural gas' higher octane rating? Internal combustion engines do translate much less of the energy of their fuel into vehicular motion than fuel cells do (generally about 35% at best, but higher compression, permitted by natural gas, would improve somewhat on that), but the creation of hydrogen from natural gas looses about 30% of the energy in the process, meaning hydrogen fuel cell cars are starting from a position of only 70% efficiencty to begin with, and since hydrogen can't be shipped in pipelines, distribution is less efficient as well. PEM fuel cells (very expensive, but suitable for automotive applications) are around 60% efficient. It appears a fuel cell vehicle would still have higher net efficiency - but not by a lot, and not enough to justify the fact fuel cells cost many times what entire IC engine vehicles do - there can't be a hydrogen economy as anything but manufacturer pilot programs when the fuel cells cost six figures - and won't get cheaper with mass production, because the expense comes largely from precious metals used as catalysts - which will go up in price if demand grows to mass produce PEM fuel cells
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,088 Points:1,013,355 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 4:53:29 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Nonsence.
Hobby001 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,093 Points:1,186,440 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 4:31:37 AM Ignore Hobby001 Report Abuse Many think that conversion of home heating to natural gas from oil is better, leaving the petroleum distillates for use in vehicles. By the way, the Gores and many other Dems made big money through oil companies. [Edited by: Hobby001 at 7/8/2012 7:33:22 AM EST]
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VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,749 Points:2,030,430 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2012 9:14:00 PM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse Make them available to the public and we'll see which technology rules the day.